Kit Balancing/Improvements List


NinjaCurlyfry Posts: 343 Likes: +876 LEVEL 0	*Last updated: August 5th, 2017* Welcome, to the new and improved kit balancing thread! I’ll be editing, improving, and updating this list often, so leave your suggestions on this thread and I’ll add it (With credit of course! ^-^ ) If you want to see my original, horribly written kit balancing thread for some reason, click here. Underpowered kits Spoiler: Show ~ Mercy ~ Status = Almost useless Pros ➤ Extra spawn protection is great for when you’re being spawn camped Cons ➤ 5 seconds after respawning, Mercy is 100% useless ➤ No killstreak bonuses ➤ No team benefits ➤ No one uses it/wants to use it Possible fixes ➤ Add something else to this kit… Anything. I personally don't have any ideas. ~ Suggested by zkilled ~ ➤ 7ks gives your team 5 sec respawn protection for a set time period OR for the next 1-3 deaths ➤ 3 deathstreak gives you something special? ~ Suggested by PoscoBG ~ Ideas for killstreaks: 3ks - get a speed boost for the duration of invulnerability on respawn 5ks - kills give 2 seconds of respawn time, up from 1 (kills before still give 1 second) 7ks - all team members earn 1 second of additional invulnerability time per kill they get (kills made after the person got a 7ks before death, not counting kills from a current killstreak) ~ Agent ~ Status = Underpowered Pros ➤ Great defensive play (eg. Placing a mine on your flag or in tunnels towards your base, etc.) Cons ➤ Not suitable for offensive play Possible fixes ➤ Right click places a mine on a block ➤ Left click throws a flashbang ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Larger affected radius" ➤ "Pumpkin effect" (I assume you mean making it seem as if you have a pumpkin on your head) ➤ "Clicking the air will throw a bomb" ➤ "Clicking wall will place a bomb" ~ Demo ~ Status = Underpowered Pros ➤ Adds a new element to MCBall/Interesting concept Cons ➤ Not suitable for fast paced combat due to: (a) Long explosion time (b) Strange crater made ➤ Not very practical Possible fixes ➤ Add a way to explode bomb manually (Also suggested by MiningShark and others) ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Demolish a flat path rather than a crater" ➤ "Increased explosion and kill range" ➤ "when placed you can explode at will" ~ Graviteer ~ Status = Too similar to ninja/Could be improved Pros ➤ Allows you to share with teammates Cons ➤ Rather similar to ninja ➤ Grav-pad only lasts 2 launches ➤ Grav-pads don't launch instantly (You must place, then walk off and back on the pad to launch) Possible fixes ~ Suggested by zkilled ~ ➤ 3 uses per Grav-pad (or more?) ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Launch instantly" upon Grav-pad placement Slightly underpowered kits Spoiler: Show ~ Magician ~ Status = Slightly underpowered/could be improved Pros ➤ Interesting concept Cons ➤ Shot moves slowly in the air so: (a) Long distance shots are easily avoided (b) Close distance shots are useless as normal paintballs will reach the target quicker ➤ Very similar to Frosty ➤ Affected area is a bit small ➤ Reload time is a bit long Possible fixes ➤ Increase the shot’s speed ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Make pigs spin in circles to disorient the trapped player." NOTE: This would make magician more similar to Frosty, but the idea is interesting nonetheless. ~ Suggested by snatman5000 ~ ➤ Increase the affected radius ➤ Shorten the reload time ~ Vortex ~ Status = Slightly underpowered/could be improved Pros ➤ Good for clearing out campers ➤ Good for clearing bases and hallways ➤ Good defensive kit Cons ➤ IMO, the shot is too slow ➤ Easy to avoid due to (a) Small affected radius (b) Weak gravity/pulling effect ➤ Long reload time Possible fixes ➤ Increase the shot’s speed a bit ➤ Reduce the reload time ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Increase affected range" ➤ "Increase Gravity/pulling effect" ~ Frosty ~ Status = Slightly underpowered/could be improved Pros ➤ Pretty solid kit Cons ➤ Slightly small affected radius ➤ Fairly short "frozen" time Possible fixes ➤ Increase time you are frozen? ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Increase affected radius" ➤ "Add slowness to outer affected radius. The basic radius would remain but another two blocks outward from the explosion would give slowness." ~ Shotty ~ Status = Slightly underpowered/could be improved Pros ➤ Interesting shotgun concept ➤ Overall solid kit Cons ➤ Hard to use due to shots moving slowly. Currently, it's easier and faster to just shoot instead of using shotty. Spoiler: Snatman's thoughtsShow 4. The last thing I want to comment on is shotty. Right now it is in the Solid Kits section, no change needed, but right now nobody uses it at all, so I would disagree that it is a good kit. If it were possible I would say that when you use the shotgun, to have the paintballs shoot faster than the speed that they already go at. The reason why I say this is because whenever you are using shotty, most of the time you use it is in a close combat situation and you are already getting shot at. By the time you take the shot with it, you are already dead because it takes so long for the paintballs to move. I feel like upping the speed will make the shotgun more effective because that is what shotguns are supposed to do. Possible fixes ~ Suggested by snatman5000 ~ ➤ Increase shot speed ("I feel like upping the speed will make the shotgun more effective because that is what shotguns are supposed to do.") ~ Magneto~ Status = Could be improved Pros ➤ Great kit Cons ➤ Always activated when you pick up a flag Possible fixes ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ “Make it a little easier to activate” ➤ “Picking up flags won’t waste a use” ~ Spider~ Status = Could be improved Pros ➤ Unique and fun to use kit Cons ➤ You and your teammates are affected by web-bombs Possible fixes ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ Make the kit user and their teammates resistant to web-bombs ➤ “If bomb lands on wall it will face vertically” (I'm unsure why this would be useful, but I am leaving this idea here anyways) Overpowered kits Spoiler: Show ~ Protection ~ Status = Overpowered Pros ➤ Interesting concept ➤ Adds “Tank” class to MCBall Cons ➤ Enables you to survive longer, with little to no extra consideration. ~ Pointed out by xCandyland ~ ➤ Protection Regen type could be changed/improved Spoiler: Exact quoteShow "A kit that requires less skill, in my opinion, such as Ninja, Flash, and Protection, should regain after a killstreak. It gains less often because it took less skill to do. A kit that requires more skill, in my opinion, such as Vortex, Magneto, and Sniper, should regain after a cooldown. It gains more often because it took more skill to do. (Think: higher reward for higher skill)." Possible fixes ➤ Use a shield to block shots (120-180 degree radius?) instead of armor ➤ Change the vest respawn to killstreaks instead of a timer. This would ~ Suggested by Mining_Shark ~ ➤ "Have a shield rather than armor and can take up to 15 hits (180 degree radius when facing forward)" ~ Suggested by xSkelly_ ~ When You Spawn: You get nothing when you spawn. 3KS: Gain Protective Vest. When Broken get Speed for 1 Second. 5KS: Protective Vest Regenerates. Your Vest is now Rigged with Flashbangs. 7KS: Protective Vest Regenerates. Your Protective Vest Regenerates Every 15 (maybe 20?) Seconds. You now Resist Sniper Bullets with your Protective Vest. ~ Suggested by Dot_Dot_Dot ~ Spoiler: Show Protection will grant you an item. Upon activating this item one will get a protection vest for 10 seconds. If the protection vest breaks the protection kit user will be invulnerable for 3 seconds, but also forced on a 3 second reload. If the time expires the protection vest will either be gone without any effect or would trigger the same effect as if it were hit. In the beginning also #2 is in effect. 3 ks: 3 second speed bonus is added upon the breaking of the vest. 5 ks: The effect of #2 is lifted 7 ks: The 10 second vest now last 15 seconds Other potential killstreaks: - Gain 5 second speed boost upon activation - Upon breaking the vest you are not forced on a reload anymore (OP, because immunity still is in effect. I am personally not a fan of this, but I put it in for the sake of consideration.) - Upon reaching a 7 ks everyone in the team gets a protection vest. 10 second timer would still be in effect, as would the 3 second reload and 3 second invulnerability (and possibly #2 aswell) (Also OP, but so are 2 ninja hooks or 30 second speed boost) ~ Suggested by Buffowatts ~ Make the vest only good against sniper from the get go. Paintball protection would come with a 5ks or 7ks. This would help nerf sniper a bit if a team goes all sniper. Sort of reverse the primary purpose of the kit. (IMO, if this was implemented, paintball protection would be lower, at 3ks or maybe 5ks.) Solid kits/No changes needed Spoiler: Show ➤ Ninja ➤ Flash ➤ Sniper ➤ Commando If I made any errors, forgot to credit you, or messed anything else up, please let me know so I can fix it! Thank you for your time! If you have any questions or concerns, Feel free to ask me! ^-^ ❤ ♫~Ninja~♫ ❤ Posted Jan 7, 17 · OP · Last edited Aug 5, 17 Like x 10 x 10 List Undo
Mining_Shark Posts: 1,128 Likes: +1,666 LEVEL 0	I think commando should belong in the underpowered section. Also for frosty. The basic radius would remain but another two blocks outward from the explosion would give slowness. Attached Images -Mining_Shark Posted Jan 7, 17 · Last edited Jan 7, 17 Like x 3 x 3 List Undo
Cygnus44 Posts: 115 Likes: +132 LEVEL 0	not sure why you're all still bothering with this... it's gone, it's over remember it for what it was You all stare, but you'll never see, there's something inside me. Posted Jan 20, 17
NinjaCurlyfry Posts: 343 Likes: +876 LEVEL 0	Cygnus44 wrote: not sure why you're all still bothering with this... it's gone, it's over remember it for what it was Heheh... I'm bumping this thread since this conversation has been brought up again, and when I posted this, the server was basically dead. Some of the ideas in my post are old and outdated, so I'll try and update the ideas/thoughts in a bit when I have more time. If you have any ideas to share, please comment them and we can discuss it, and I can add it to my list of balancing ideas! Thank you for your time! If you have any questions or concerns, Feel free to ask me! ^-^ ❤ ♫~Ninja~♫ ❤ Posted Aug 4, 17 · OP Like x 2 x 2 List Undo
snatman5000 Posts: 192 Likes: +135 LEVEL 0	A few things I would like to comment on. 1. I am pretty sure that all shots that are shot into the vortex no matter who shoots them automatically become yours as soon as they enter the vortex. I am pretty sure this is said on one of the more recent posts on the home page. 2. I like to use the vortex kit, but I feel like it is really only use full like once a life span unless you get a good kill streak going. The reason being is that the reload takes way too long. It is like 40 seconds or something stupid like that for you to be able to reuse it. I feel like that is one of the problems that it has. Some others being that it moves too slow and has that weak gravity pull. Although these are all negatives, this kit is still very strong as a defensive kit, when you are sure of death, but are able to launch the vortex bomb so you redirect the balls that were going to hit you. 3. The suggested fix for magician is a bad idea for anyone who is familiar when playing with the kit. Hitting someone on a pig is already somewhat difficult already, so how would the pig running around make it any easier for the person trying to kill you on the pig? That does not make any sense at all. The things that I think to make magician better would be for it to move faster, have a larger radius, and a shorter reload. 4. The last thing I want to comment on is shotty. Right now it is in the Solid Kits section, no change needed, but right now nobody uses it at all, so I would disagree that it is a good kit. If it were possible I would say that when you use the shotgun, to have the paintballs shoot faster than the speed that they already go at. The reason why I say this is because whenever you are using shotty, most of the time you use it is in a close combat situation and you are already getting shot at. By the time you take the shot with it, you are already dead because it takes so long for the paintballs to move. I feel like upping the speed will make the shotgun more effective because that is what shotguns are supposed to do. 5. I lied, just read some more and found another thing to disagree with. The possible fix for Spider is to have the webs go vertically when they hit the wall. I do not see how this would be even remotely useful in any situations so I do not think that makes any sense to do. I'm not going to say that spider is really good, but I do not think this is a way that can make spider better. Posted Aug 4, 17 Like x 2 x 2 List Undo
NinjaCurlyfry Posts: 343 Likes: +876 LEVEL 0	Spoiler: Show snatman5000 wrote: A few things I would like to comment on. 1. I am pretty sure that all shots that are shot into the vortex no matter who shoots them automatically become yours as soon as they enter the vortex. I am pretty sure this is said on one of the more recent posts on the home page. Yeah, I plan to update my original post since there have been some changes to the kits since this was posted. I'm extremely busy today though, so I don't know if I'll get to it. Spoiler: Show snatman5000 wrote: 2. I like to use the vortex kit, but I feel like it is really only use full like once a life span unless you get a good kill streak going. The reason being is that the reload takes way too long. It is like 40 seconds or something stupid like that for you to be able to reuse it. I feel like that is one of the problems that it has. Some others being that it moves too slow and has that weak gravity pull. Although these are all negatives, this kit is still very strong as a defensive kit, when you are sure of death, but are able to launch the vortex bomb so you redirect the balls that were going to hit you. Agreed! I think that the reload should be a bit faster. Vortex is really OP in close quarters, but the downside to the kit, and what keeps it fairly balanced is that it only works up close. I still stand by my thoughts that it's hard to find a use for this kit, since it's so limited to close range. I think if it moved a bit faster, (not a lot), it would be a bit better overall. Spoiler: Show snatman5000 wrote: 3. The suggested fix for magician is a bad idea for anyone who is familiar when playing with the kit. Hitting someone on a pig is already somewhat difficult already, so how would the pig running around make it any easier for the person trying to kill you on the pig? That does not make any sense at all. The things that I think to make magician better would be for it to move faster, have a larger radius, and a shorter reload. I think what Mining meant was just to have the pigs spin in circles to disorient the player (not the magician user). As of right now, you can still aim while on the pig, so it doesn't do too much. But yeah, I agree with you 100% Spoiler: Show snatman5000 wrote: 4. The last thing I want to comment on is shotty. Right now it is in the Solid Kits section, no change needed, but right now nobody uses it at all, so I would disagree that it is a good kit. If it were possible I would say that when you use the shotgun, to have the paintballs shoot faster than the speed that they already go at. The reason why I say this is because whenever you are using shotty, most of the time you use it is in a close combat situation and you are already getting shot at. By the time you take the shot with it, you are already dead because it takes so long for the paintballs to move. I feel like upping the speed will make the shotgun more effective because that is what shotguns are supposed to do. Also agree! I used to love using shotty, but I've been trying to use it recently and the shots move so slow, that the other player can hit you before your shots reach them. Not sure if they are actually slower than a standard shot, but from my personal experience, it's more reliable to just not use shotty at all. I think speeding them up is a really good idea! Thanks for that! snatman5000 wrote: 5. I lied, just read some more and found another thing to disagree with. The possible fix for Spider is to have the webs go vertically when they hit the wall. I do not see how this would be even remotely useful in any situations so I do not think that makes any sense to do. I'm not going to say that spider is really good, but I do not think this is a way that can make spider better. Hmm, yeah. I agree with that. Not sure how it would make it better. Actually, I kind of think it would make it worse, because you couldn't trap people who were in the air that way. (like if they fell off the side of the chest in bedroom or something) Would you mind elaborating on this idea Mining_Shark ? I'd like to know your thoughts on it. Thank you for your time! If you have any questions or concerns, Feel free to ask me! ^-^ ❤ ♫~Ninja~♫ ❤ Posted Aug 4, 17 · OP Like x 2 x 2 List Undo
radronnie3 Posts: 1,018 Likes: +1,418 LEVEL 0	NinjaCurlyfry wrote: I think what Mining meant was just to have the pigs spin in circles to disorient the player (not the magician user). As of right now, you can still aim while on the pig, so it doesn't do too much. But yeah, I agree with you 100% I've thought about this too, but the problem is, is that frosty is meant to do the same thing. Make it so that the player is disoriented and can't really shoot you. I think doing this to magician would replace frosty. Right now, if you throw a frosty bomb, and freeze someone, there is still a decent chance of them hitting you, if they were aiming at you before the frosty bomb is thrown. If you make it so the pig spins around, there would be almost no way a player could hit the magician user. As much as I would love for magician to be this OP, I think it would be too unbalanced. Posted Aug 4, 17 Like x 1 x 1 List Undo
xSkelly_ Posts: 488 Likes: +615 LEVEL 0	Honestly Agent used to be a decent kit that was used fairly often (at least by me.) I'm 99% sure it can be fixed by enabling the flash bangs to be thrown, and if it hits someone they will die. It works exactly like the frosty kit but it blinds them instead. (Same Killstreaks.) Also since the coding is already there the kit should just keep the ability to put the flash bombs down like it is now. MCBall is love, MCBall is life!! You must like EVER SINGLE post I make, OR ELSE...Nothing will happen to you! And that is not good. Please Check out and Subscribe to my Youtube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQuzjLAbLmc2qq0lNnRmXtQ Posted Aug 4, 17 Like x 2 x 2 List Undo
Woiv Posts: 65 Likes: +42 LEVEL 0	I Agree %100 with everything here . Kit balancing is a great idea and needs to be done at some point. Posted Aug 5, 17 · Last edited Aug 5, 17
xSkelly_ Posts: 488 Likes: +615 LEVEL 0	TigerQuiney wrote: Prot does require skill because u have to actaully hit someone and prot isnt that hard to kill The problem is, is that it requires very MINIMUM skill. So, unlike most of the other kits, it doesn't require you to aim, or shoot, etc. It basically gives you an extra life if you are hit once. MCBall is love, MCBall is life!! You must like EVER SINGLE post I make, OR ELSE...Nothing will happen to you! And that is not good. Please Check out and Subscribe to my Youtube Channel at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQuzjLAbLmc2qq0lNnRmXtQ Posted Aug 5, 17 Like x 2 x 2 List Undo

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