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I think that religion was a tool created by our ancestors to understand the world and answer questions which we have since answered with science. I think religion was a filler for the unknown but now we know the things that they didn't know and religion is outdated.
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I think that religion was a tool created by our ancestors to understand the world and answer questions which we have since answered with science. I think religion was a filler for the unknown but now we know the things that they didn't know and religion is outdated.
I think religion was more created out of desperation. During the ancient times, their life span obviously wasn't as long as ours due to many reasons from having less medical knowledge, technology, and some basic sanitary needs. When people faced all of this sorrow, I think they turned to religion to pull them through, not as much to understand the world.
I think I do get what you're saying though, pagans usually adopt gods that fits the world around them, giving a reason for everything.
What I like to believe about science and religion is that science brings you closer to God as in, the more you understand the world through mathematics and science, you become one step closer to God. Now I know this sounds strange, but I got this thought from the game Wolfeinstein: The New Order in which there was a quote
"It is like mathematical equations. And each solved equation brings you closer to God. The act of creation is the intended use."
where there's an entire secret order purely based around knowledge and creating new things to become closer. They used the science around them to further understand god. Instead of denying science, they completely accepted it and built upon it.
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What is all the fuss over wether this should be on the forums or not just don't say anything if you don't think it should be here... BTW I agree with noah
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I disagree with the pope, I believe we where all created and here is some links to some articles on why.
On jw.org they have some relative information on this little debate going here.

Has science replaced the bible?

How did life begin?

Is the bible scientifically accurate?

The bible says we were created and if the bible is scientifically accurate does that not mean that we were created
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All life shows evidence of intelligent design. I just finished my science HW and it was about photosynthesis, without photosynthesis other plants and animals could not exist, yet it is so complex we still don't understand how it works. So how exactly would a plant (that doesn't have a brain) start taking in carbon and releasing oxygen without some exterior guidance? Life is so complexly amazing and awe inspiring it had to have been created. That is what I believe.

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This is another reason I believe life was created.
Animals and plants are to complex to spontaneously come into being.
And I have more examples;

This link has some articles on animals and how complex and amazing they are, and how scientists have built things that imitate them. Have a read of one, these are my favourite articles, they are fascinating and let you decide whether you believe life was created or it evolved.
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I am a Christian, but I believe that evolution and the big bang theory are compatible with the Bible, and together it actually creates the final big picture. I've spent years thinking of what I'm about to share, so it will probably be a big post, but it should be pretty interesting.

TABLE OF CONTENTS (Since you probably don't want to read all of this, you can pick and choose!)
Wall of Text #1: The compatibility of science and Christianity
Wall of Text #2: The inevitability of a God
Wall of Text #3: Why God made the world the way he did, according to the Bible
Wall of Text #4: The science behind the afterlife

First, I believe that evolution and the big bang theory are compatible with the Bible for several reasons. I looked through Genesis and found some things that looked a lot like evolution, like the separate development of plants and animals, and most importantly, the way that humans were created last. The big bang theory sounds a lot like God's command "Let there be light." So many might wonder then, why doesn't the Bible specify this stuff? I believe that is because while God inspired the Bible, people wrote it. And of course, they wrote it as they understood it.

Next, here is why I believe that while scientific theories do contribute several pieces to the puzzle, it is incomplete without a God. The common question that both theists and atheists face is "where did it all start"? For theists, the question is where God came from. For atheists, the question is where time and space came from, and where this infinitely dense piece of matter that created the big bang came from. But in order to answer this question, you first have to think about what it should have been. If something can't come from nowhere, then would it be more logical if there had simply been nothing? An infinite plane of nothingness? But nothing doesn't just mean no matter, it means no physics, or even logic. So by that logic, (or, more like lack of logic) the existence of something and nothing are exactly the same. So instead of nothing existing, everything would exist. But doesn't that sound more like the multiverse theory than a theistic idea? Well, think about the concept of infinite. Imagine an infinite number line of random numbers, or even an infinite Minecraft world with completely randomly generated blocks. Up close, its just random. But eventually as you look at the picture bigger and bigger, no matter how long it takes, eventually it would form some kind of order. The random blocks or numbers would actually be contributing to a giant pattern. This means that if anything is infinite, it would inevitably be an infinite amount of building blocks to an infinitely complex organization, and that organization could be the building blocks to God's omniscient mind. And the crazy thing is, if God's mind if really infinite, then in his mind is infinity other infinite beings, but that really doesn't mean there's multiple Gods because if each one is omniscient, they're all the same and they're all one, just like how infinity to the exponent of infinity is still infinity.

So, next, is the question of why God made the world the way he did, and why he cares about our sins, and if he cares about our sins then why he allowed us to sin. According to the Bible, God wanted to create us in his image. But he didn't create us exactly like him because again, two infinite beings are the same as one infinite being. There would be no separation, because a God beyond time and space can't be separate from another infinite being. So instead he made us sentient, but not to his infinite level. Just enough to be able to perceive the great world he created. But an important part of being like him was having freedom and the ability to make choices. This is why he hates sin but allows us to sin, its because he would rather us sin than not have the ability to. But even when we did choose to sin, he still loved us. He didn't want to take our free will away, but he did want to give us a second chance. And he did so through forgiveness. So, why did he have to sacrifice his son to forgive us? I believe that this is because God seems to follow his own rules that he created in the universe. Just like how he made the universe in a way consistent with physics and logic, (the big bang, evolution) he also forgave us according to his rule that states that the penalty for sin is death. And so a sacrifice was necessary to forgive us.

One more point I would like to make is about the science behind the afterlife. If God created the world through evolution and the big bang, according to his own rules in the universe, then wouldn't the afterlife follow the universe's rules as well? After enough thinking, I've found that the answer is yes. This theory of mine isn't quite complete, and it is lacking research so I could be incredibly wrong, but here it is anyway. I once heard from an unreliable source (here's the part where the research is lacking, feel free to do your own research) that the last part of your brain to die when you die is your memory. This means that for anywhere between a second and a nanosecond, your brain is nothing but memory. If your brain is nothing but memory, you're no longer capable of perceiving time. And if you can't perceive time, then are you not living in eternity? What is the difference between living a million years or half a second to a creature that is not capable of perceiving time? So in this way, you would live forever in your memories. That's as far as I got with that theory, the next step is determining how that would lead to heaven or hell instead of just reliving parts of your life throughout eternity.

Anyway, there's my long wall of text about my beliefs and theories. If you read all that, your brain probably hurts now. Anyway, here's an imaginary cookie for all your reading.
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I am a Christian, but I believe that evolution and the big bang theory are compatible with the Bible, and together it actually creates the final big picture.
I've had a long day and feel v tired, so I won't be reading your whole wall of text, but your first sentence basically wins me over. That one sentence is the point I've been getting at for every single post I've made on this thread.
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I agree with Noah, the Church allows the beliefs of the big bang theory and evolution to coincide as long as God put it in motion. There is nothing contradictory about these two things as long as you believe that God is all powerful
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